If you are just going to shoot sass long range and equivalent, i would go with 3855. Early in 1908, his pet krag began shooting erratically, and after 1,300 high velocity shots, it was ruined for the long range. Loading with correct 3855 winchester cases 3855 rifle rifle. If the shooter me does his part, this rifle and load will perform admirably with 1. The bullet on the left is the 459,535m3 bullet from buffalo arms, works great in the 4590 for long range target shooting. However the 3855 was one of the old cartridge that designed for a purpose and that was accurate target shooting. There are five categories in cowboy long range or precision rifle competition, plus one. Using this rifle and his custom 4570 handload and a bullet that he and i designed, smalley fired four shots that went inside an 18inch. It has been my experience, however, that most of the cussin has been from folks with little or no personal experience with ppbs.
In 1879, ballard introduced the 3850, which featured a 2inchlong case. Most american black powder cartridge rifles have a cal. The late by smalley, shooting the rolling block action that he barreled, stocked, and otherwise modified for use with the 4570 at the friends of billy dixon range. Riflescalibers for long range rifle side matches sass.
First of all, the sharps 1877s were chambered for either the. While the original 1877 sharps rifles were made specifically for long range shooting, this new lyman model of 1878 differs in two ways. Range finders, or any other devices for calculating distances or sight adjustments are not allowed. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below. When used in front of a black powder charge, paperpatched bullets work. The 3855 winchester center fire wcf is a unique example among metallic cartridges through almost 125 years of production, until quite recently, 3855 cases had evidently never been made correctly for use with conventional bullets. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. Now, there is no source of ammo cheap enough to keep a college kid supplied with. Cast lead bullets, a wonderfully inexpensive experience. Busy range today, forgot the spotting scope and very few chances to walk down range, view and adjust fire. Loading with correct 3855 winchester cases 3855 rifle by m.
Most shooters, given quality ppbs and proper loading techniques. I cant tell you how many bullets it has fired, but i can say that all but 5 of them, exactly 5, have been paper patched. Lewis the story of the winchester 1 of and 1 of 100 rifles on pg. This video will show the basic 2 wrap patch boolit. Paper patch bullet d reamer and shop made casting mold. One of the issues involved with paper patching is the bullet needs to fit the bore nearly perfectly for best results. Do not paper patch but the 200 yards is shot with sticks or not and the steel does not stand a chance. Rifle caliber usual calibers 4570, 4590, 45110, 3855, 3030, iron or peep sights. I shoot paper patch bullets in smokeless cartridges exclusively. The main benefit for hunting shooting numerous rounds per day is the elimination of leading, and for the long range, a slick sided bullet provided less drag which. Was there really a rifle like the one in the movie. Most serious target shooters using the 3855 rifle have found that this.
Also benched and quite high, will zero the gun 12 low and center at 25 meters next trip. I load paper patched bullets in larger calibre rifles 308, 3006, 3855, 375. I know trying to find certain ammunition, or even components, is damned near impossible. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead bullet styles. Chases thousandyard scores 19061909 were generally ahead of the pack. I have a couple articles one titled shooting the old ones. This means you need to carefully measure the bore of your rifle and then have a custom mold made by one of the many mold makers.
A slight film of gun oil should be left in the barrel during long periods of. The next bullet is the saeco 645,probably the best grease groove bullet for all round use in the 4570. Walters wads were used by more shooters, by a margin of over 21 over the second most popular type of wad, at the 2001 blackpowder cartridge national championships held at the nra whittington center in raton, new mexico. I lightly squeeze the tube and a button about 18 long come out on my finger. So for a long period in the mid1800s paper patched bullets were in vogue. We shoot 100 and 200 yards ar pha on the 5th sunday. The following is where we stand on this 3855 cartridge. I have now shot two deer with the rifle and neither had any idea what hit them bet they didnt figure they were that close to the train tracks. The original cartridge was a paper patch cartridge, it was an express. You will get a lot more pactice time with the 3855 before your shoulder starts hurting. Original percussion long range rifle with paper patched. Based upon personal experiences of shooting this round for thirtyfive years, i would say that a modern match rifle is capable of shooting 1 to 1 minute groups with vernier peep rear sight and spirit level aperture front sight mounted. In addition to its use as a target round, the paper patch bullet harvested. We go into some detail on how to load for some of the older black powder rifle calibers such as the.
This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Custom quality cast bullet molds for sale buffalo arms. Uberti introduced this rifle not to long after the quigley movie came out. Much discussion and cussin have been laid at their doorstep.
If it is not in stock please call us to order as we do not stock all of our molds. You need to know if the chamber is cut for grease groove bullets or for paper patched bullets. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. I have a sporterized 1879 infantry rifle in which i have used the carbine and infantry loads and find them pleasant to shoot. Brent danielson has won the long range match there a number of times with paper patched. Initially, shooting will be split into rifle caliber at 100 and 200 yards, and pistol main match rifle caliber at 50 and 100 yards with awards for each category. Long range rifle shoots at the long nine range are held occasionally before the monthly matches beginning at 8. So, depending on how long the long range side matches are, that may dictate what calibergun you want to use. I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle. I also use a paper patched 530 grain bullet over a duplex load for long range shooting. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting. If you can find some tracing paper it works very well and is usually around. These are all paper patched balls and for target shooting on ly, and the barrel must be wiped after each shot. Oh dont even get me started on the 3855 and deer unless you got some time i have a 336cb in 3855 and im here to tell you it is a deer killing machine.
I see absolutely no difference in them ballistically from the. Whether greased, lubricated or paper patched, the cast lead projectile remains with us in the 21st century. Lube grooved bullet on left paper patched without the paper on the right. Blackpowder only, no quantity of smokeless powder is. If i cant talk you into trying paper patched bullets for hunting or competition for that matter, then youll want to try the lyman 400 grain fn thumper. The heavier 4570500 didnt come into existence until the 1880s and was limited to the infantry long tom rifles. He had seen the light and abandoned grease groove bullets in favor of the paper patched variety. The bore remained clean as a whistle and i remember being amazed. Paper patched bullets are allowed if cast or swaged lead alloy. Loading with correct 3855 winchester cases 3855 rifle.
Next target is about as good as i can do with iron sights and a center hold on a black bull at 50 meters. The wyoming schuetzen unions center shot black powder. So if you are looking to shoot long distances constantly, then. But then again, if the shooter me again has his head up his butt like he did at the q this year, this rifle and load will still perform admirably but the shooter. This is where the cast lead bullet can save the day. The sharps is an original 45110 and it loves paper patched ammo but wont shoot a gg worth a tinkers damn. The last time i saw anyone using paper patched bullets at a match was the 1986 coors match at golden. I paper patch for my 4065 roller and my 3855 cpa stevens 44 12. Walters wads over powder wads are used primarily for loading blackpowder cartridges used in longrange shooting and cowboy action shooting. Ive been shooting my current sharpsbadger combination exclusively with paper patches since about 1995.
In the movie it was alleged to be a wildcat caliber of some kind, i dont remember, but theres no real way to tell from the movie if the actual rifle they used was bored differentl. Accuracy requires a heavy ball, weighing about 5 times as much as the powder charge, as the following target cartridges will show. Thats been a long road to arrive to paper patching bullets for future yard target shooting with a muzzle loading rifle. The main benefit for hunting shooting numerous rounds per day is the elimination of leading, and for the long range, a slick sided bullet provided less drag which provided better bullet stability and consequently required less adjustment for elevation. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. It is as accurate as the day it came home from the shop. He had pope rebarrel it for what was likely the last time. Regardless of category or caliber, bullets used in long range and precision rifle matches must be made of pure lead or lead alloy having a plain base, gas checked, or paper patched configuration. I was at a regional long range match a few years ago, a prominent top level competitor in both silhouette and long range was touting his recent success on his home range with paper patched bullets in the pits on day one of record fire. Greebe, i keep away from paper that has a glossy look to it, paper with cotton is preferred, leagel papers.
Which may have explained why i was the only shooter trying to use a. For the cartridge rifles, we require a minimum lead bullet diameter of. Handloading the 5070 for antique and modern rifles. The art of paper patching, how to make your paper patched.
Long range rifle match at springfield long nine cowboys. And in the situation we shooters have faced since the beginning of 20, that is a very good thing. That shooter was using a 3855 and sizing his patched bullets at the bench just before breech seating them. Example for a 30caliber rifle, the target diameter, over the dried patch, is 0. That was a sharps, and either a real one or a close copy. Their use constitutes a side match disqualification. While at a shooting range, always carry the gun unloaded and open until. I harvested a fine bull bison in hartsel, co a couple of years ago using paper patched bulletss. Most of his peers counted 3,000 shots as their useful barrel life. I picked up an cimarronuberti 1885 highwall in 3855 recently. Shoots real well with grease groove,sux with paper patched. This group size has been confirmed by hours of shooting paper targets at 100, 200, 300, 400, and 600 yards.
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